В соседней теме только что об этом же написала. Кстати, если обратили внимание, паспорта европейцев, малазийских паспортов меньше.

Мда....Хороший финт ушами... а где они столько тел раздобыли? Наверное с Украины и завезли их в Голландию, нынче это легко сделать... а там пойди разбери кто есть кто...поэтому и пошел слушок про уже тела с душком... и паспорта почему то кучками обнаруживаются. Жуткая театральная постоноваочка получается. И кто то видел катапультируещегося пилота, он наверное с этого Боинга и был. Выпрыгнул, самолет подбили и вуаля , может он уже со взрывчаткой на борту был. В общем смотреть нужно, как все эти комиссии будут жаждать все это расследовать, если вяло, тогда точно постановка была сделана, если родственники погибших будут все таки приезжать на опознание на Украину, другой вопрос. А если скажут мы их вывезем и там опознаем, тогда точно все шито белыми нитками... Как их можно там опознавать, когда по информации люди с разных стран были. А так я уже где то читала инфу, что типа ополченцы не позволяют ОБСЕ там ничего обследовать, уже хрень какая то... как не хотят, когда все их зовут именно для этого, рискуя при этом открыть ворота для противника .

Ну что, кто слышал последние новости?
Черные ящики в Киеве.
Может они там уже давно были?

Если это так, то тогда правду мы никогда не узнаем

Medscape Medical News > Conference News
Top HIV/AIDS Researchers Killed on Malaysian Jet
Mark CraneDisclosures
July 18, 2014

(Updated) An unconfirmed number of the world's leading HIV/AIDS researchers and activists were among the 298 people killed on a Malaysian passenger jet that was shot down over Ukraine, although the airline has not yet released names and figures.

The researchers were en route to the 20th International AIDS Conference in Melbourne, Australia, set to begin Sunday.

The Sydney Morning Herald said those attending a preconference meeting in Sydney were told that around 100 of their colleagues were on the plane. Subsequent media outlets have since noted that the number may be fewer.

The plane, which was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, crashed yesterday. American intelligence authorities believe a surface-to-air missile brought the aircraft down in eastern Ukraine but it is not yet clear who fired it.

"There's been confirmed a number of senior people who were coming out here who were researchers, who were medical scientists, doctors, people who've been to the forefront of dealing with AIDS across the world," Victoria Premier Denis Napthine told reporters in Melbourne. "The exact number is not yet known, but there is no doubt it's a substantial number."

The former president of the International AIDS Society Joep Lange, MD, a well-known HIV researcher from the Netherlands, was believed to be among the dead, along with his wife and collaborator Jacqueline van Tongeren.

Chris Beyrer, president-elect of the International AIDS Society, said if reports of Dr. Lange's death were true, "then the HIV/AIDS movement has truly lost a giant," the Associated Press reported.

Nobel laureate Dr. Francoise Barre-Sinoussi, codiscoverer of the AIDS virus and president of the International AIDS Society, paid tribute to Dr. Lange in a speech in the Australian capital, Canberra.

"Joep was a wonderful person — a great professional — but more than that, a wonderful human being," she said. "If it is confirmed, it will be a terrible loss for all of us. I have no words, really, to try to express my sadness. I feel totally devastated."

The conference will continue out of respect for the lives lost: "Because we know that it's really what they would like us to do," she told reporters.

Dr. Lange had been working on HIV since the earliest years of the epidemic, participating in clinical trials and research across the world, Dr. Barre-Sinoussi said.

"The cure for AIDS may have been on that plane. We just don't know. You can't just help but wonder about the kind of expertise on that plane," Trevor Stratton, an HIV consultant, told an Australian television station.

The conference is expected to be attended by 14,000 delegates from around the world. Former US President Bill Clinton and British activist/musician Sir Bob Geldof are to deliver speeches.

The World Health Organization's Geneva-based spokesman Glenn Thomas, who was en route to the conference, was also among the dead, said Christian Lindmeier, spokesman for the organization's Western Pacific region. "Everybody's devastated," Lindmeier said. "It's a real blow."

Some 35 million people live with HIV, although global AIDS-related deaths and new infections have fallen by more than a third in a decade, raising hopes of beating the killer disease by 2030, the United Nations said Wednesday.

This story has been updated to note that the number of conference attendees traveling on the flight has not yet been confirmed.

Dr. Robyn| Physician 2 hours ago
20 very important people, scientists, patent holders of an important invention, go missing assumed dead in ML plane number one. A few months later approx 100 very important people, scientist, doctors, lobbyist are shot down and killed in ML plane number two?

Dr. Oksana Yurchenko| Infectious Diseases 3 hours ago
In Ukraine, there is a war launched by the Putin regime. Already killed hundreds of Ukrainians. Now the war has moved beyond Ukraine. My deepest condolences to the families and friends of all the victims.

Dr. In | Pathology 9 hours ago
This is again - point-less & purpose-less tragic happen again - all nations in the world will get together & find out who ordered; why did it; what is the gain; what is the main goal to just killing people ... and for the more, come-out & explain to the world and it has to stop NOW!!! Now, I can only ask to the Almighty God ... because he knew all things for the pointless tragic happened in this world ... please, Almighty God, reveal to the world & let us know how to prevent this kind of tragic in this world ... OH, God, Please Help The Nations in this World ... !!! With Deep Sorrow!!!!! Dr. Hong.

Dr. Camelia| Anesthesiology 9 hours ago
There is no excuse or reason for such a tragedy, for such a loss of innocent lifes.We all have our part of guilt , by standing in front of these terrible act of violence and say nothing and do nothing....
I' m very sorry ...

Dr. Stefan | Pediatrics, General 11 hours ago

according to local eastern european blog infos, the plane was full of dead people. Dead couple days before the accident. The rebels youtube speach was fake prepared a day before the accident. Putin is in this case innocent. Regards from Eastern Europe.

Dr. Brad | Radiology 11 hours ago
A truly sad day for the HIV/AIDS community and the world. The proliferation of more and more advanced weaponary in a world increasingly divided by sectarian and nationalistic hatred has now destroyed the lives of, not only those on the plane and their families, but also the 35 million people living with and fighting this virus. Though I doubt Vladmir Putin gives a damn, the world needs to collectively stand up and take action.

А что в т.н. "новых" паспортах нет печатей въезда-выезда из др. стран? Люди же путешествуют, инфа в компах остается.

а новые паспорта на вид - имхо - обычое явление

Эскобар Санчес shared a link.

July 15.

Есть две новости, хорошая и плохая. Хорошая - вертолётов у ВВСУ почти не осталось. Сбиты почти все. Плохая - Обама помог, дал в лизинг свои ирокезы. Вроде, их всего четыре. Несмотря на то, что хвосты уже покрашены жёлтыми и синими цветами, льотчики омериканские. Замечены над Днепропетровском - Гарри Коломойский уже посмотрел.

Вроде бы это Bell UH-1 Iroquois — американский многоцелевой вертолёт фирмы Bell Helicopter Textron. Америкосы называют их ласково - унитазы. Оснащены специальным пламегасителем, уменьшающим инфракрасное излучение вертолета (и соответственно шансы быть сбитым ПЗРК). Кабина и моторный отсек усиленно бронированы.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyOGEMOPRzs

Действительно обычное, но только не после крушения самолета.